The Third Round: Moving from an ‘I am a self’ towards an ‘as of self’

The Wordly, Spiritual and Celestial man’s Own(Proprium)

AC 141. Innumerable things might be said about man’s Own(Proprium) in describing its nature with the corporeal and worldly man, with the spiritual man, and with the celestial man.

With the corporeal and worldly man, his Own(Proprium) is his all, he knows of nothing else than his Own(Proprium), and imagines, as before said, that if he were to lose this Own(Proprium) he would perish.

With the spiritual man also his Own(Proprium) has a similar appearance, for although he knows that the Lord is the life of all, and gives wisdom and understanding, and consequently the power to think and to act, yet this knowledge is rather the profession of his lips than the belief of his heart.

But the celestial man discerns that the Lord is the life of all and gives the power to think and to act, for he perceives that it is really so. He never desires his Own(Proprium), nevertheless an Own(Proprium) is given him by the Lord, which is conjoined with all perception of what is good and true, and with all happiness. The angels are in such an Own(Proprium), and are at the same time in the highest peace and tranquility, for in their Own(Proprium) are those things which are the Lord’s, who governs their Own(Proprium), or them by means of their Own(Proprium). This Own(Proprium) is the veriest celestial itself, whereas that of the corporeal man is infernal. But concerning this Own(Proprium) more hereafter.

 

Man’s Own(Proprium) – the Infernal/Hellish proprium

AE 483(16)… Man’s proprium resides in the sensual and natural man, therefore conclusions formed from these alone are formed from the proprium, or from man’s own intelligence; for the Divine flows in through the spiritual man into the natural, but not into the natural when the spiritual above it is closed, whereas the spiritual man is opened by means of truths, and by a life according to them.

AC 154. Nothing evil or false can possibly exist that is not the proprium or derived from the proprium. For man’s proprium is evil itself, which means that man is nothing but evil and falsity. This has become clear to me from the fact that when the contents of the proprium are presented to view in the world of spirits they look so ugly that nobody can paint any uglier picture. (Those contents vary however according to the nature of the proprium.) As a result when anyone is offered a glimpse of the contents of his proprium he is horrified at himself and wishes to run as though from the devil. On the other hand contents of the proprium which have been given life by the Lord look beautiful and attractive, varying according to the life to which a celestial quality that is the Lord’s can be added. Indeed people who have received charity, that is, been made alive by it, look like boys and girls with very attractive faces. And people who have received innocence look like naked small children adorned in different ways with garlands of flowers twined around their breasts, and precious stones in their hair, living and playing in brightest light, with a sense of happiness stemming from the depths of their being.

AE 323 The reason why “death” signifies the love of man’s proprium, is, because “death” signifies the extinction of spiritual life, and thence natural life separated from spiritual life (as above, 321), and this life is the life of the love of man’s proprium; for from it man loves nothing but himself and the world, and thence also he loves all kinds of evils, which, from the love of that life, are delightful to him.

The New Jerusalem and its Heavenly Doctrine 145. Because acting from freedom appears to man as if from his own proprium, therefore heavenly freedom may also be called the heavenly proprium, and infernal freedom may be called the infernal proprium. The infernal proprium is that into which man is born, and this is evil; but the heavenly proprium is that into which man is reformed, and this is good.

 

The Heavenly Own(Proprium)

HH 591… The good that is from heaven is all from the Lord; for the angels in the heavens are all withheld from their proprium, and are kept in the Lord’s proprium, which is Good Itself. But the spirits in the hells are all in their proprium, and everyone’s proprium is nothing but evil; and because it is nothing but evil it is hell.

AC 8497… goodness and truth which flow in from the Lord are joined together and so to speak made the person’s own. This is what the joining of heaven, that is, of those in heaven, to the Lord is like. The words ‘as if from what was their own’ are used because the good of faith and charity can never be imparted to man or angel to be actually his own, for men and angels are merely recipients, or forms properly adjusted to receive life from the Lord, and so goodness and truth from Him. True life comes from no other source; and since life comes from the Lord it cannot be more than what seems to be a person’s own. Those who abide in the Lord however clearly perceive that life flows in, consequently that goodness and truth do so since these are contained in that life. The reason why life seems to be a person’s own is that in His Divine Love the Lord wishes to impart and join to a person all that is His, and so far as it can be done He does join it. What is then the person’s own, yet is imparted to him by the Lord, is called a heavenly self or proprium,

 

Fear and resistance initially arises when what is higher approaches …

Arcana Coelestia 6497. Genesis Chapter 50:14-21 . And Joseph returned into Egypt, he and his brethren, and all that went up with him to bury his father, after he had buried his father. And Joseph’s brethren saw that their father was dead, and they said, Peradventure Joseph will hate us, and returning will return unto us all the evil that we requited to him. And they commanded Joseph, saying, Thy father did command before he died, saying, Thus shall ye say unto Joseph, I pray forgive I pray the transgression of thy brethren, and their sin, because they requited evil to thee; and now forgive I pray the transgression of the servants of the God of thy father. And Joseph wept when they spake unto him. And his brethren also went and fell down before him; and they said, Behold we are thy servants. And Joseph said unto them, Fear ye not; for am I in God’s stead? And you thought evil against me, but God thought it for good, in order to do as it is this day, to keep alive a great people. And now fear ye not: I will sustain you, and your babes. And he comforted them, and spake upon their heart.

AC 6559…How the case is with returning evil, or with penalties, in the spiritual world, must be told, because from this the internal sense of these words is plain. If evil spirits do any evil in the world of spirits beyond what they have imbued themselves with by their life in the world, punishers are instantly at hand and chastise them in exact accordance with the degree in which they pass these limits; for it is a law in the other life that no one must become worse than he had been in this world. They who are being punished cannot tell how these chastisers know that the evil is beyond what they had imbued themselves with; but they are informed that there is such an order in the other life that the very evil is attended with its penalty, so that the evil of the deed is wholly conjoined with the evil of the penalty, that is to say, its penalty is in the evil itself; and therefore that it is according to order for the requiters to be instantly at hand.

[2] This is what happens when evil spirits do evil in the world of spirits; but in their own hell they chastise one another according to the evil which they had by act imbued themselves with in this world; for this evil they bring with them into the other life. From all this it is evident how it is to be understood that the penalty impends according to the desert, which is signified by the words, “returning he will return unto us all the evil that we requited to him.” But as regards good spirits, if perchance they speak or do evil, they are not punished, but pardoned, and also excused; for their end is not to speak or do evil, and they know that such things are excited in them by hell, so that they have not come to pass by their fault; and the same is also observed from their resistance, and afterward from their grief.

 

The Awakening Series

Heaven and Hell. 491. There are three states that man passes through after death before he comes into either heaven or hell. The first state is the state of his exteriors, the second state the state of his interiors, and the third his state of preparation. These states man passes through in the world of spirits.

First State: HH 498. This first state of man after death continues with some for days, with some for months, and with some for a year; but seldom with anyone beyond a year; for a shorter or longer time with each one differently in accordance with the agreement or disagreement of his interiors with his exteriors. For with everyone the exteriors and interiors must make one and correspond. In the spiritual world no one is permitted to think and will in one way and speak and act in another. Everyone there will be an image of his own affection or his own love, and therefore such as he is interiorly, such he will be exteriorly; and for this reason a spirit’s exteriors are first disclosed and reduced to order that they may serve the interiors as a corresponding plane.

Second State: HH 499 The second state of man after death is called the state of his interiors, because he is then let into the interiors of his mind, that is, of his will and thought; while his exteriors, which he had been in during his first state, are laid asleep.

Third State: HH 512. The third state of man after death, that is, of his spirit, is a state of instruction. This state is for those who come into heaven and become angels. It is not for those who come into hell, because such are incapable of being taught, and therefore their second state is also their third, ending in this, that they are wholly turned to their own love, thus to that infernal society which is in a like love…[2] Good spirits, on the other hand, are led from the second state into the third, which is the state of their preparation for heaven by means of instruction. For one can be prepared for heaven only by means of cognitions of good and truth, that is, only by means of instruction, since one can know what spiritual good and truth are, and what evil and falsity are, which are their opposites, only by being taught. HH 517. Instruction in the heavens differs from instruction on earth in that cognitions are not committed to memory, but to life; for the memory of spirits is in their life, for they receive and imbibe everything that is in harmony with their life, and do not receive, still less imbibe, what is not in harmony with it. For spirits are affections, and are therefore in a human form that is similar to their affections.

 

Third Round posts are short audio clips taken from Round 3 comments offered in the online Logopraxis Life Group meetings. The aim is to keep the focus on understanding the Text in terms of its application to the inner life along with reinforcing any key LP principles that have been highlighted in the exchanges.

 

 

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Ian Keal
5 months ago

New translations of the Word and the Heavenly Doctrines are seen as a “threat” because they challenge the emotional attachment to the current verbage by suggesting that other forms of sentences and other choices of words used in the translation of the Hebrew, Greek and Latin, although pefectly valid, will lead people astray because they don’t convey the “more accurate” translation of the current or more accepted version. And it would appear that such a fear has too much “self” involved, not enough “as of self” and very little trust in Providence. Others may need a diffent “Process” which could… Read more »

Ian Keal
Reply to  Ian Keal
5 months ago

The verbage used to support the argument is that such & such translation is “dumbing down” the “real” Truth.