The Third Round: Who am I? What am I? What is the Self?

Arcana Coelestia

5846… This I know will appear a very great paradox because it is contrary to the appearance; but experience itself shall declare how the matter stands.

5848. In order that the life of the Lord may flow in and be received according to all law in man, there are continually with him angels and spirits-angels from heaven, and spirits from hell; and I have been informed that there are with everyone two spirits and two angels. That there are spirits from hell is because man of himself is continually in evil, for he is in the delight of the love of self and of the world, and insofar as man is in evil, or in this delight, so far angels from heaven cannot be present.

5849. The two spirits adjoined to man cause him to be in communication with hell, and the two angels cause him to be in communication with heaven. Without communication with heaven and hell, man could not live even a moment. If these communications were taken away, the man would fall dead as a stock; for then would be taken away the connection with the First Esse, that is, with the Lord.

This has also been shown me by much experience. The spirits with me were removed a little, and then as they were removed I began as it were to expire, and indeed should have expired if they had not been sent back. But I know that few will believe there is any spirit with them, nor even that there are any spirits; and this chiefly for the reason that at this day there is no faith, because no charity, and thus it is not believed that there is a hell, nor even that there is a heaven, nor consequently that there is any life after death. Another reason is that they do not see spirits with their eyes; for they say, “If I should see, I would believe; what I see, this is; but what I do not see, I do not know whether it is.” When yet they know, or might know, that man’s eye is so dull and gross that it does not even see many things that exist in ultimate nature, as is evident from microscopes which make them visible. How then could it see what is within even purer nature, where spirits and angels are? These man cannot see except with the eye of his internal man, for this is accommodated to such vision. But the sight of this eye is not opened to man while he is in this world, for many reasons.

From all this it is evident how far distant is the faith of this day from the faith of ancient times, when it was believed that every man had his angel with him.

 

Third Round posts are short audio clips taken from Round 3 comments offered in the online Logopraxis Life Group meetings. The aim is to keep the focus on understanding the Text in terms of its application to the inner life along with reinforcing any key LP principles that have been highlighted in the exchanges.

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Ian Keal
1 year ago

This is fascinating, and has brought about somewhat of a shift, along with raising some questions. So, I am just going to put it out there. How does the concept that the self is actually an appearance dovetail with ones “Book of Life” ans outlined in HH 463, Luke 12: 2 &3, and in AC 2474? Is the book of life just a recording of ones total immersion in “self”? And is it only real in so far as one clings to that appearance of having life in oneself and desiring to “Own” it? In contrast is the following from… Read more »

David Millar
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Reply to  Ian Keal
1 year ago

Hi Ian here’s a process (Logopraxis) orientated take on HH 463. Removing the idea of persons for man and angel the term man relates to the external mind and angel as spiritual or interior truths from the Word belonging to the interior mind. Then we see that after death, or in the process of awakening to spiritual life, interior truths (angels) bring to awareness the quality of the will and understanding through disclosing or activating our memory of things willed and thought.  This is something that occurs in Logopraxis work. As we become more open to allowing the light of… Read more »

Ian Keal
Reply to  David Millar
1 year ago

Hi David;
Thank you.