Seeking to make the Lord God Jesus Christ visible in our midst… "Where two or three are gathered together in My name there am I in the midst of them." (Matt. 18:20)
So, ..the fact that I can get up in the morning, get my coffee, sit on the couch, read from the WORD, understand it’s teachings as to what arose “in me” that needs to be addressed, walk into the kitchen and notice that within 5 minutes I have fallen back into proprial muck, and as a consequence feel like I took 1 step forward on the couch, and 2 (or maybe 5) steps back in the kitchen, and feel repulsed at how weak I am, … is not necessarily a cause for alarm, and maybe I am not going to… Read more »
Hi Ian. Sounds to me that the Word is doing exactly what it’s meant to do in that the process you describe here is one I think we can all identify with. I certainly can. This also brings to mind many Scripture passages about sitting, standing and walking but this was the one offered to me when I went looking for something for you. Luke 5: 22 But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answering said unto them, What reason ye in your hearts? 23 Whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Rise up… Read more »
Hi Ian – the idea of “going to hell” is thinking naturally in terms of place. If we remove the idea of place so as to think spiritually we then open up the possibility to think from state and if we can do that we see that hell isn’t a place we go to one day, but at this level of life, holds a continual presence within our mental landscape being the infernal proprium. The issue isn’t that this proprial influence has a presence within our natural mind but that we identify with the feelings and thoughts it casts into… Read more »
Thanks David that was helpful. I related to your experience Ian because I have often either felt unable to get up at all or had the strong urge to sit back down again. These come after seeing the infernal proprium in all its ugliness and then the despair that it is actually what I am and then wishing the Lord would just get on with it and “forgive my sins” and put me out of my misery . And then I realise that I have fallen for its deception of owning it and admonish myself about that too – ironically… Read more »
Thanks to to both of you. This is just another example of the beauty and strength of the Logopraxis Community in offering clear sight and thinking to others when surrounded by proprial muck.
So, ..the fact that I can get up in the morning, get my coffee, sit on the couch, read from the WORD, understand it’s teachings as to what arose “in me” that needs to be addressed, walk into the kitchen and notice that within 5 minutes I have fallen back into proprial muck, and as a consequence feel like I took 1 step forward on the couch, and 2 (or maybe 5) steps back in the kitchen, and feel repulsed at how weak I am, … is not necessarily a cause for alarm, and maybe I am not going to… Read more »
Hi Ian. Sounds to me that the Word is doing exactly what it’s meant to do in that the process you describe here is one I think we can all identify with. I certainly can. This also brings to mind many Scripture passages about sitting, standing and walking but this was the one offered to me when I went looking for something for you. Luke 5: 22 But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answering said unto them, What reason ye in your hearts? 23 Whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Rise up… Read more »
Hi Ian – the idea of “going to hell” is thinking naturally in terms of place. If we remove the idea of place so as to think spiritually we then open up the possibility to think from state and if we can do that we see that hell isn’t a place we go to one day, but at this level of life, holds a continual presence within our mental landscape being the infernal proprium. The issue isn’t that this proprial influence has a presence within our natural mind but that we identify with the feelings and thoughts it casts into… Read more »
Thank you. Much appreciated
Ian, take another look at AC 4564.2-3. Kind of speaks into this I think.
Thanks David that was helpful. I related to your experience Ian because I have often either felt unable to get up at all or had the strong urge to sit back down again. These come after seeing the infernal proprium in all its ugliness and then the despair that it is actually what I am and then wishing the Lord would just get on with it and “forgive my sins” and put me out of my misery . And then I realise that I have fallen for its deception of owning it and admonish myself about that too – ironically… Read more »
Thanks Sarah, this Gospel story and the insights you’ve offered in response to it are very helpful in clarifying the process.
Thanks to to both of you. This is just another example of the beauty and strength of the Logopraxis Community in offering clear sight and thinking to others when surrounded by proprial muck.