ACV7 S17: AC 5209-5225

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5209. Verses 5-7. And he slept and dreamed a second time, and behold seven ears of corn came up upon one stalk, fat and good. And behold seven ears thin and parched with the east wind sprung up after them. And the thin ears swallowed up the seven fat and full ears. And Pharaoh awoke, and behold it was a dream. “And he slept,” signifies an obscure state; “and dreamed a second time,” signifies what was provided; “and behold seven ears of corn came up upon one stalk,” signifies the memory-knowledges of the natural joined together; “fat and good,” signifies into which the things of faith and charity could be applied; “and behold seven ears, thin,” signifies memory-knowledges of no use; “and parched with the east wind,” signifies full of cupidities; “sprung up after them,” signifies appeared near; “and the thin ears swallowed up the seven fat and full ears,” signifies that the memory-knowledges of no use banished the good memory- knowledges; “and Pharaoh awoke,” signifies a general state of enlightenment; “and behold it was a dream,” signifies in that obscurity.

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Paddy Morahan
Paddy Morahan
1 month ago

5215.2 …‘parched with the east wind’ is signified being consumed by the fire of longings Task: Observe when I am internally parched by the east wind and what arises in this recognition From a conflict with a patient at work over several days this week, I was pretty ‘parched by the east wind’ in the form of obsessive thinking that attacked my love of my own self-importance at work.  It was so clear that the proprium was attacking what other parts of the proprium held to be of value in terms of my own identity. For a few days I… Read more »

Judy & Len Robinson
Judy & Len Robinson
1 month ago

ACV7S17-Len #5221….”But as regards the quality of this state scarcely anyone is able to know anything unless he is in a spiritual sphere and at the same time pays attention to the things that are taking place within him. Otherwise he cannot even know what it is to be generally enlightened, and particularly enlightened, nor even what it is to be enlightened at all, still less that there is a disturbance at first in a general state of enlightenment, and that there is no quiet until the time when truths from good are replaced in their order….” Task: To work… Read more »

Gray Glenn
Gray Glenn
1 month ago

TASK #1 In the definition of “memory-knowledges” in 5212 it says they “can be presented and represented to others by forms of words or ideas formed into words by means of such things as are of the world and its light”. This brought up the question of exploring what in my mental process CANNOT be presented or represented to others by forms of words of ideas formed into words by means of such things as are of the world and its light? Or, What are the things of my mind which are beyond words? SUBMISSION: It was interesting to realize that the… Read more »

John Talbot
John Talbot
1 month ago

5214……. Useless facts are those which have no other end in view than personal glory and pleasure. Such ends are useless because they do not benefit one’s neighbour. 5219 (2) But obscurity caused by falsities can by no means receive any enlightenment, for falsities are so many masses of darkness which blot out the light of heaven and in so doing bring obscurity which cannot be lightened until those falsities have been removed. 5221 (2) ….He cannot even know what is meant by receiving enlightenment , let alone the idea that within a state of general enlightenment turmoil exists initially… Read more »

Paddy Morahan
Paddy Morahan
1 month ago

5215.2 …‘parched with the east wind’ is signified being consumed by the fire of longings

Task: Observe when I am internally parched by the east wind and what arises in this recognition

Judy & Len Robinson
Judy & Len Robinson
2 months ago

ACV7S17-Judy
#5225…”for the idea of a person is turned in the internal sense into the idea of a thing-……. The reason of this is that in the spiritual world, or in heaven, not persons but things come into view, for persons limit the idea, and concentrate it upon something finite; whereas things do not limit and concentrate it, but extend it to the infinite, thus to the Lord……”
Task: To accept and consciously acknowledge that when reading the word-person, place etc correspond to things and observe any changes of state that occur when trying to do this.

Judy & Len Robinson
Judy & Len Robinson
Reply to  Judy & Len Robinson
1 month ago

Observations: Working in this way initially brought up a lot of opposition: too hard, too time consuming, alien etc etc…Perseverance allowed for much more to be seen in the Text and a lessening of the opposition, even an eagerness to see more. (intellectual satisfaction???) Using correspondences, but especially Lord, Word, Heavenly Proprium for Me or I brought up the question: is it the hellish proprium being referred to at times? and is this a viable alternative? Most other terms in the Text can be applied equally to good and truth or evil and falsity. Knowing which one to use can… Read more »

Michael Chester
Michael Chester
2 months ago

5212 The contents of the interior memory however are not called facts but truths since these are dependent on the light of heaven. Without the aid of that light they are unintelligible, and without the use of words, that is, of ideas put into words that draw on things such as belong to heaven and the light of heaven they are inexpressible. (Elliott translation) The things in the inner memory, however, insofar as they partake of the light of heaven, are not called memory-knowledges, but truths; nor can they be understood except by means of this light, or expressed except… Read more »

Sher Huss
Sher Huss
2 months ago

5214: And behold seven ears thin. This signifies useless external-knowledges… from ears, namely external-knowledges and thin, namely useless. For ‘thin’ is here contrasted with ‘full’ and that it is said to be ‘full’ in which there is use or what is the same thing, in which there is good; for every good thing is of use; and therefore ‘thin’ is what is of no use. The useless external-knowledges are those which have no other end than glory and pleasure. These ends are useless, because they do not benefit the neighbor. 5215: And parched with the east wind. This signifies full… Read more »

Liz Coggins
Liz Coggins
2 months ago

5212[2] ….in the internal sense both naturals, the interior and the exterior, are treated of, and in what follows, the rebirth of both. [4] so also in Mark the comparison with the blade, the ear, and the corn, involves the rebirth of man by means of memory knowledges, truths of faith, and goods of charity…….The ‘kingdom of God’ which is compared to the blade, the ear, and the corn – is heaven in man through regeneration; for one who has been regenerated has the kingdom of God within him, and become in image the kingdom of God or heaven. The… Read more »

Liz Coggins
Liz Coggins
Reply to  Liz Coggins
2 months ago

On further reflection I noticed the process of the tree within myself, with the details of the functions of the tree as relationships in the interior part of myself. If I acknowledge the tree as the representation of a person, there appears to be a complete surrounding and infilling by the Lord from all sides: the roots are grounded in soil which is totally saturated and abundant with life (more bacteria and micro life-forms in a handful of soil than the entire population of the world) and this life represents the Grand Man into which the roots of my life… Read more »

Gray Glenn
Gray Glenn
Reply to  Liz Coggins
1 month ago

“second round” Your thought process here sent me back to AC5202 and the strange statement: “It is these processes that for the most part constitute angelic wisdom.” The strange part is the implication that the processes themselves are angelic wisdom– which is entirely different to “knowing about the processes” being the wisdom–which is where my mind jumped to on first read. The drawn out picture of the “tree process” helps me see the functions as angels. Lately I’ve been so embedded in the external, this being lifted to the tree tops has allowed for some air much fresher than the… Read more »

Liz Coggins
Liz Coggins
Reply to  Gray Glenn
1 month ago

Hi Gray, that’s a lovely link-back, and the truth of seeing the functions as angels….. feels ‘full’

Sarah Walker
2 months ago

AC 5219 …. the truths with angels and spirits, and also with men, are subsidiary lights; but they have their light from the Divine truth by means of the good in the truths; for unless truths are from good, that is unless they have good in them, they cannot receive any light from the Divine. They receive it by means of good, for good is like fire or flame, and truths are like the rays of light from it. Comments This number reminds me so much of the creation story .. with the sun and the moon being the subsidiary… Read more »

Janna King
Janna King
Reply to  Sarah Walker
1 month ago

When I reflect on the fear that so often appears during an active attempt to engage in spiritual life, it is helpful to just ask myself out loud , “LOOK there! It is the Lord you are afraid of. How can that be?”

Sarah Walker
Reply to  Janna King
1 month ago

yes its the paradox we work in… vulnerability requires trust in the process, in the Lord… if there was no fear of it, there would be no sense of giving up something or opening up to the Lord and hence no experience of building increasing trust, depth or love.

Sarah Walker
Reply to  Sarah Walker
1 month ago

Submission: when all is said and done the work still comes back to my willingness to offer myself in the raw and vulnerable to the Word…  It makes me feel like weeping at how loved I feel from that and how much love there is present in that  .. knowing that if I do the Lord will meet me. I could cry an endless river …. like the tears are the river of the Word that is unfolding and I am swimming in it, sailing in it, bathing in it and drinking from it. Round three: I have translated the following text… Read more »

Ruth Duckworth
Ruth Duckworth
2 months ago

5219. And behold it was a dream. That this signifies in that obscurity, is evident from the signification of a “dream,” as being an obscure state It is called “obscure,” because truths had been banished; for where truths are not there is obscurity, because the light of heaven flows only into truths; for the light of heaven is Divine truth from the Lord. Hence the truths with angels and spirits, and also with men, are subsidiary lights; but they have their light from the Divine truth by means of the good in the truths; for unless truths are from good,… Read more »

Ruth Duckworth
Ruth Duckworth
Reply to  Ruth Duckworth
1 month ago

I did not do much work on my task this session. I thought I must have been asleep for a lot of the time. But looking back I can see that the Lord was sending me messages. My hippeastrum flowers were being eaten by grasshoppers before they managed to open which brings to mind the quote about the “east wind” by which locusts were produced, and by which they were driven into the sea (Exod. 10:13, 19); I was being shown that I was being distracted from the work by selfish thougths and the beautiful goods were not being set into… Read more »

Siri Hurst
Siri Hurst
2 months ago

5214 states that the “seven full ears” represent what is of good and therefore or “use.” Whereas the “seven thin ears” are memory-knowledges that are of no use for they have as an end glory and pleasure. These are of no use because they do not benefit the neighbor. 5225 states that in the spiritual world, or in heaven, not persons but things come into view, for persons limit the idea and concentrate it on something finite; whereas things do not limit but extend to the infinite, thus to the Lord. The task asks that I be aware of activities… Read more »

Fred Braakman
Fred Braakman
2 months ago

Text: 5212. And behold seven ears of corn came up upon one stalk. That this signifies memory-knowledges of the natural joined together, is evident from the signification of “ears,” or spikes, of corn, as being memory knowledges belonging to the natural (of which in what follows); and from the signification of “upon one stalk,” as being joined together; for in respect to their origin things on one stalk are joined together. The reason why “ears” or spikes of corn signify memory-knowledges, is that “corn” signifies the good of the natural (see n. 3580), because memory knowledges are the containants of… Read more »

Louise Gardam
Louise Gardam
2 months ago

Arcana Coelestia #5225.
“…. in the spiritual world, or in Heaven, not person but things come into view, for persons limit the idea, and concentrate it upon something finite; whereas things do not limit and concentrate it, but extend it to the infinite, thus to the LORD.”

General Principle: We can not see the workings of Providence from our limited vantage point.

Work Focus: Each evening review some of my day’s thoughts. Were they centered on person? When they were…. step back and try to shift the thought to things. What do the angels see? What is the LORD’s will?

Louise Gardam
Louise Gardam
Reply to  Louise Gardam
1 month ago

Submission: I saw that I think from person and about person(s) All The Time. But I can step back, and that is useful. Day after day I saw that my thoughts were full of small things (extra much so when I was short of sleep). So often the key person I thought from and about was the big ugly P. Winning at games is (for me) from proprium person. Having a mantra helped~~~ the LORD’s agenda is growing and learning. A friend pointed out that “things” are principles. Another that we can think from principle: an action is wrong– but… Read more »

Janna King
Janna King
2 months ago

AC 5221. …. This state and its quality are treated of here, showing that there was disturbance by reason of obscurity … But as regards the quality of this state scarcely anyone is able to know anything unless he is in a spiritual sphere and at the same time pays attention to the things that are taking place within him. Otherwise he cannot even know what it is to be generally enlightened, and particularly enlightened, nor even what it is to be enlightened at all, still less that there is a disturbance at first in a general state of enlightenment,… Read more »

Ian Keal
Ian Keal
2 months ago

AC 5214. And behold seven ears, thin. That this signifies memory-knowledges of no use, is evident from the signification of “ears,” as being memory-knowledges (of which above, n. 5212); and from the signification of “thin,” as being what is of no use. For “thin” is here contrasted with “full,” and that is said to be “full” in which there is use, or what is the same thing, in which there is good; for every good thing is of use; and therefore “thin” is what is of no use. The memory-knowledges of no use are those which have no other end… Read more »

Last edited 2 months ago by Ian Keal
Ian Keal
Ian Keal
Reply to  Ian Keal
1 month ago

I have come to realize that this task has been pivotal, and I do believe that it will remain an undercurrent for some time. Paying attention to inflowing useless thoughts has presented an awareness of a “lukewarm” state. This has raised an important question. Am I a subject “in whom truths, and at the same time falsities which are opposite to them” exists? Or is this just the spiritual landscape playing out the choices that are presenting? There is a strong tug of war going on. The only thing that cuts the rope is a quote from the Word. Failing… Read more »